Whats my car worth here?

[SwedAero^]

Hi!

I took my car with me to this crazy country . Now i have to keep it 1 year before i can sell it. Otherwize i have to pay E1400 in bpm.
I have no clue what my car is worth here if i want to sell it. You can check it out on my garaget site. The pics arent really up to date coz i have put in a full aero interiour. Black leather.


Regards Magnus

[sjoerdk]

Hello Magnus, what a nice car do you have! A good price for your car is maby 7500 or 8000 euros, maby more because it is a tuned one.

Good luck!

Sjoerd

[edwardk]

Magnus , because you're talking about the BPM shit, don't you have it in Sweden?If it is so, i think the rules about the bpm are different (cheaper)and a little less complicated I guess, because from your point of view it is strange( in our point of view also but the most of us don't have to deal with it on the way you do).Its one of the most effective way's for the coverment to "steal" money from the people to spend on a lot of stupid things. In theory the price you can get is the price you have to pay in sweden for a car like that plus the bpm you have to pay when you sell it. That because the price of a new car in Sweden is less expensive, so the total price incl. the bpm is lower then the price of the same car bought in here. In practice you wil get the price without bpm because for the people here it is an imported car and worth a bit less. I'm sure if you find some one to buy the car you wil get the same price as you would get selling it in Sweden.But for what reason do you want to sell him?You better buy a new one in Sweden when you are back there, that's cheaper for you.
Varsågod. Edward.

[Swedish_90]

Magnus , because you're talking about the BPM shit, don't you have it in Sweden?

Its one of the most effective way's for the coverment to "steal" money from the people to spend on a lot of stupid things.

Ligt dat niet wat genuanceerder? In Zweden heb je volgens mij alleen de BTW (25%).
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Magnus,

I haven't got a clue about what the car is worth in a year either, and I think you'll have to look around and see what are regular prices for these wonderful vehicles.

[SwedAero^]

Thanx for the answeres both of you. And edward no we dont have the crappy bpm in sweden.
In sweden i dont pay E660/year in roadtax either. There i payed E200/year. And so on so on.
You can check here abit yourself what we would pay for a used 9-5 aero in sweden.
http://www.blocket.se/vi/7054984.htm?ca=7_s

And that one is loaded!

If you want to import a car to sweden you dont pay anything extra for that. No extra taxes and junk.

Here is the difference in prices. I took a new 9-5 aero stationwagon as an example.

In holland the baseprice is E 53090.
In sweden the baseprice is E 36631.

The difference is sickening E 16459.

The goverment here is very good at making people pay alot of money for nothing here and now they even put on the damn healthinsurance wohoooooo E100 extra to pay withotu the paycheck getting bigger. Another thing we dont have to pay in sweden.
Since sweden joined the eu it made it very easy and unexpencive to import a car. What makes me very puzzled is that this country can have its own rules like this. I have to keep my car for 1 year otherwise i have to pay E1400 in bpm. Thats sick!
Enough complaining now .

Thanx again for the answers.

Regards Magnus

[Oosthoek]

You can still go back if you don't like it here

[SwedAero^]

You can still go back if you don't like it here

Hehehe i was waiting for that one. I know its risky business to complain about holland here but i will take the chance. I would never have gone here at all if i knew what i know now. I moved here to be with my gf.
So i guess you love to pay all the things you pay here dont you Oosthoek?
We will move to sweden but it will take some time to arrange everything.

Magnus

[SwedAero^]

We are getting wayyyyy off topic here

[verde900]

In Sweden you pay 25% moms on your daily (foot) grocery's, we only pay 4% VAT.
I think that our BPM once every 4 years (only if you buy a new car every 4 years) is much less than the difference in vat/moms between Sweden and Holland in the same period.

[SwedAero^]

In Sweden you pay 25% moms on your daily (foot) grocery's, we only pay 4% VAT.
I think that our BPM once every 4 years (only if you buy a new car every 4 years) is much less than the difference in vat/moms between Sweden and Holland in the same period.

Hi there verde.

You forget that the prices one used cars are also way higher here because of the bpm.
The price of grocerys (food) doesnt differ that much.
The pay is higher in general in sweden and we pay the same amount of incometax.

Magnus

[verde900]

You forget that the prices one used cars are also way higher here because of the bpm.

So your car increases in value.

The BPM is not a "totall loss", there is allways still an amount left in the price of our used cars..

The price of grocerys (food) doesnt differ that much.

if you "spend" € 7.000,-- of BPM every 4 years (that is on a car of € 28.000,--) its € 4,79 a day (or € 24,-- pro week)
If you do your grocery's for an amount of € 150,-- a week you pay € 6,-- vat overhere and € 30,-- in Sweden, that is a difference of € 24,-- too.

The pay is higher in general in sweden and we pay the same amount of incometax.

The cost of living seems that much higher in Sweden that many woman have to work too in Sweden to have a decent standard of life.

[edwardk]

The pay is higher in general in sweden and we pay the same amount of incometax.

If i'm well informed you in sweden pay a flat tax(about 35%) which is less then 40%( INCLUDING the health insurance). The average tax here is with a "normal"income at least 40% without health insurance.And here in the netherlands in a lot of family's the women needs a job too, to pay the costs of living with this sky hi prices of houses etc.In sweden you can have a nice home of your own, car, a summerhouse(what most swedes have) maybe a boat , and if you wanna have this in Holland you need a good salary to pay all this costs.Before Sweden was a member of the EU the prices where higher in Sweden.So the last years you have to spend more money in Sweden.

[SwedAero^]

In Sweden you pay 25% moms on your daily (foot) grocery's, we only pay 4% VAT.
I think that our BPM once every 4 years (only if you buy a new car every 4 years) is much less than the difference in vat/moms between Sweden and Holland in the same period.

As far as i know you pay 6%. And as i said earlier the difference in food prices arent that great.
And your example about buying a new car every four years.
The saab 9-5 aero costs E53090 in basic price here. Thats E16459 more then in sweden. E4115/year. Thats ALOT of money but maybe you think it is ok to pay that i dont know. And that the government here take away the freedom to buy a car where ever you want to. In sweden you can import a car from whereever you want in the eu without paying anythin extra gor it. One of the points with the eu is freedom of trade. That is not the case here. Back to the example with a new car every 4 years.
In holland it would be E 106180 to buy a new saab 9-5 aero now and one in 4 years. You pay E19820 in bpm and tax for 1 car like that. That makes E 39640 if you buy a new one after 4 years.
Now for sweden.. The same car costs E 36631 incl tax in sweden. That is E 73262 if you buy another one after 4 years. Out of that price moms is E 9157. That makes E 18315 in tax if you buy a new one after 4 years.
So for one car like that you pay E2289/year in tax.

Magnus

[verde900]

As far as i know you pay 6%. And as i said earlier the difference in food prices arent that great..

You are correct.

And your example about buying a new car every four years.The saab 9-5 aero costs E53090 in basic price here. Thats E16459 more then in sweden. E4115/year. Thats ALOT of money but maybe you think it is ok to pay that i dont know.

We live here so we don't have a choice.

And that the government here take away the freedom to buy a car where ever you want to. In sweden you can import a car from whereever you want in the eu without paying anythin extra gor it. One of the points with the eu is freedom of trade. That is not the case here. Back to the example with a new car every 4 years.
In holland it would be E 106180 to buy a new saab 9-5 aero now and one in 4 years. You pay E19820 in bpm and tax for 1 car like that. That makes E 39640 if you buy a new one after 4 years.
Now for sweden.. The same car costs E 36631 incl tax in sweden. That is E 73262 if you buy another one after 4 years. Out of that price moms is E 9157. That makes E 18315 in tax if you buy a new one after 4 years.
So for one car like that you pay E2289/year in tax.

Free trade is when it comes to carprices not an item in the EEC.
Its also interesting that you compare Swedish prices with Dutch prices, Norwegian and Danish prices are much higher than our prices.
Saab 9-5 Sport Sedan Aero 2.3 T (260 hk) DKR 683967 +/- € 91.000,--
Saab 9-5 Sport Sedan Aero 2.3 T (260 hk) NOK 594400 +/- € 74.300,--
Saab 9-5 Sport Sedan Aero 2.3 T (260 hk) € 51.290,--
Who can afford a brandnew 9-5 Aero every 4 years? i can't.
Again if this is all such a problem, why did you came to Holland in the first place? just to complain about our carprices and our taxsystem?
If i recall it right, your question was "what the value of your car was"? its probably higher overhere than in Sweden, and you dont have to pay any tax at all when you drive it for 12 months, so what seems to be the problem?

[SwedAero^]

As far as i know you pay 6%. And as i said earlier the difference in food prices arent that great..

You are correct.

And your example about buying a new car every four years.The saab 9-5 aero costs E53090 in basic price here. Thats E16459 more then in sweden. E4115/year. Thats ALOT of money but maybe you think it is ok to pay that i dont know.

We live here so we don't have a choice.

And that the government here take away the freedom to buy a car where ever you want to. In sweden you can import a car from whereever you want in the eu without paying anythin extra gor it. One of the points with the eu is freedom of trade. That is not the case here. Back to the example with a new car every 4 years.
In holland it would be E 106180 to buy a new saab 9-5 aero now and one in 4 years. You pay E19820 in bpm and tax for 1 car like that. That makes E 39640 if you buy a new one after 4 years.
Now for sweden.. The same car costs E 36631 incl tax in sweden. That is E 73262 if you buy another one after 4 years. Out of that price moms is E 9157. That makes E 18315 in tax if you buy a new one after 4 years.
So for one car like that you pay E2289/year in tax.

Free trade is when it comes to carprices not an item in the EEC.
Its also interesting that you compare Swedish prices with Dutch prices, Norwegian and Danish prices are much higher than our prices.
Saab 9-5 Sport Sedan Aero 2.3 T (260 hk) DKR 683967 +/- € 91.000,--
Saab 9-5 Sport Sedan Aero 2.3 T (260 hk) NOK 594400 +/- € 74.300,--
Saab 9-5 Sport Sedan Aero 2.3 T (260 hk) € 51.290,--
Who can afford a brandnew 9-5 Aero every 4 years? i can't.
Again if this is all such a problem, why did you came to Holland in the first place? just to complain about our carprices and our taxsystem?
If i recall it right, your question was "what the value of your car was"? its probably higher overhere than in Sweden, and you dont have to pay any tax at all when you drive it for 12 months, so what seems to be the problem?

Buying a new car every 4 years was just an examlpe verde. I know it is very sensitive to complain about this country. No wonder that you have it the way you have it here. You never say anything about things, just shut up and pay. The most expencive gasoline in europe together with turkey . Inscane roadtax for roads that hardly is driveable.
The reason why i came here is none of your business or anyone elses either.
If you are pleased with your situation here with the "nice" taxes on cars and so on it is your thing. I guess you wouldnt complain if they raise the gasolineprice to E 5/liter either, and why not pay E 1000/year in roadtax? Wouldnt that be nice? Then you can feel that you do a nice thing for the dutch society. And not to talk about the healthinsurance...E 100/pers and month...just pay it and pretend like nothing has happened.
And be sure we will move away from this country. I like to have freedom of choise in my life and that is noty something you have plenty of here.
I hear loads of dutchies complain alot about their own country but noone does anything. Loads of dutchies move to sweden and other countries. Why do you think they do that verde???? Is it because it is so damn good here in the nl? Why not do something about the system here instead of runing away from it?
You cant afford to buy a new car here because of the high taxes. Your government has descided that you shouldnt afford to buy a new car if it isnt a nissan micra or something like that. And you just bend over and say thank you very much for letting us pay all the taxes that we dont get anything for.
I am not affraid to tell what i think about this counteys goverment and maybe it would be a good thing if people here would speak up more then they do. But i guess thats not in the dutch peoples nature to do that.
Does it feel good that you cant afford to buy a new/newer car because of the inscane taxes? I just wonder. You sure seam pleased with it.
Time for you to defend this country again now?

Magnus